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Drithlan · Sep 30, 2009, 07:50 AM // 07:50

Knock Back would basicly Push the foe a back a little and "stun" them for about the same length as Knock Down, so instead of being adjacent it would now be near by. Skills such as: Shove: Deals X damage and Knocks Back Foe, Whirling Defense: Initial effect Causes Knock Back to all adjacent foes, Whirlwind: Deals X damage and Knocks Back Adjacent foes, and some smiting as well as various other spells, Could also combo with Cripple and Cause Crippled foes to be Knocked Down.

Keyez · Sep 30, 2009, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Would this require anet to implement a new animation?

Drithlan · Sep 30, 2009, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Most Likely.

M @ T · Sep 30, 2009, 08:10 AM // 08:10

Not animation for the skills(if that is what you mean)unless you want the knocked back character to tumble or something. But programming for sure, because after you get knocked back they will have to calculate what is going to happen depending on where you stand afterwards, like lava. It doesn't sound very hard, but it will change a lot of things in PvP and PvE too. Flaggers will absolutely hate that in GvG for isntance

Drithlan · Sep 30, 2009, 08:50 AM // 08:50

I doubt it would be implemented but if it was it would give combat a nice little addition it needs. As for the animation I mentioned would be of the knocked back person stumbling back.

headlesshobbs · Sep 30, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

Diablo had knock-back as well as an interrupt to normal attack animations, this always makes be feel like GW is missing something.

nkrumsvik · Sep 30, 2009, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Sounds a little bit like the Kurzick Juggernauts in JQ, knocking back foes and knock them down.

Drithlan · Sep 30, 2009, 12:11 PM // 12:11

They Knock back? I never noticed.

~ Dan ~ · Sep 30, 2009, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by castroman101

Would this require anet to implement a new animation?

I don't get why people still use this forum for serious ideas. Do you think anet has the staff & time to do anything other than a decent skill balance?

Or do you guys post these ideas for postcount?

gameshoes3003 · Sep 30, 2009, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Erm, would you like to explain what "stun" would do?
If it's going to be the same thing as knock down (no casting, no attacking, no moving), I see no need for it.

MagmaRed · Sep 30, 2009, 03:20 PM // 15:20

Sounds too much like Knock Down, but with a different animation. If it IS something different, then it becomes a huge balance issue. We already have enough issues with balance, we don't need to add more.

MithranArkanere · Sep 30, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

A knock back can be 'faked' in GW by forcing an enemy to shadow step and then knocking them down.

Some knockdowns in the game would be better if they worked that way, but adding entire new animations for the models it's probably out of the question.

Eragon Zarroc · Sep 30, 2009, 04:37 PM // 16:37

just sounds like a disabling feature similar to KD that looks different. not to mention it would be annoying to implement the feature where the opponent is physically knocked backwards to be standing further away.

martinross · Sep 30, 2009, 05:05 PM // 17:05

I find it rather cool and useable, especially the example with Whirling Defense. Maybe if the knock back just knocked foes back, like 'get away from me', so you could either run away yourself, or get an extra second to activate a skill.

Yes, all you, who surely know everything about how Anet work, you can easily find difficulties in implementeing the effect. But as an idea, and maybe something for Guild Wars 2, I find it viable.

/signed

Reverend Dr · Sep 30, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

With as bad as the terrain already is for getting someone stuck, this would only exacerbate that problem.

Zodiac Meteor · Sep 30, 2009, 08:03 PM // 20:03

I had a similar idea, save for GW2 and knock people off cliffs. THIS IS ASCALON!

reaper with no name · Sep 30, 2009, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Wait, what?

Ok, let me get this straight. Warrior hits monk with a hammer. Monk gets knocked back. Now warrior has to run after him to hit him again, potentially slowing down his dps? Meanwhile, the monk is "stunned"? How stunned is he? Can he still move? Can he still cast? Is he interrupted like he would be by a knockdown? This seems to be a bit ill-defined.

But even with just the little you've mentioned, this would affect everything in the game and fundamentally alter the way it is played.

Effects I can foresee right off the bat:

- People bullrushing each other into walls to prevent them from moving or doing anything

- Lower dps for any melee using this new mechanic (since they have to chase after their targets)

- Tons of builds becoming ruined due to skills being changed to incorporate the new mechanic

- IMS becoming more important than before, and even becoming important in PvE

- Melee knocking targets out of their nukers' AoE

- Casters utilizing spells with knockback as yet another form of melee-hate

- People pushing their way past melee-based monsters (or vice versa) to get to the casters, eliminating body-blocking as an viable tactic in PvE

- Numerous monsters using knockbacks at once, pushing a single character very far away

- Parties getting spread out across an area due to being separated by knockbackers (to the point that they can't even be healed by their monks)

Plus, as a whole new mechanic, it would require a large degree of time investment in a game that is already near the end of it's lifespan (some would say it's passed it), as well as many skill functionality changes. It would open the door to untold numbers of bugs or overpowered builds (there wouldn't be the possibility for the proper testing that such a huge addition to the game would require). There's just too many unknowns.

And for what? You haven't given us a reason as to why this mechanic should exist or how it would make the game better. If you're trying to change the PvP meta, there are other ways to do it that aren't as fraught with danger. And if you're trying to change the PvE meta, you'll not only piss off a lot of people by invalidating so many old strategies and builds, but also most likely introduce more imbalance.

I've made a couple of suggestions that are pretty radical, but this is too far out there even for me.

/notsigned

Thenameless Wonder · Sep 30, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

I had a similar idea, save for GW2 and knock people off cliffs. THIS IS ASCALON!

Two thumbs way up!

The Drunkard · Sep 30, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

This game doesn't have a z-axis so it would cause a lot of problems with programming

/notsigned

Drithlan · Sep 30, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

@reaper with no name
I never said this effect would happen with every attack only certain skills.
@The Drunkard you don't need a z-axis to push some one back a couple of steps. It's just like walking except in a forceful manner.